# Can I always separate two IP addressess into two subnetworks?

I was reading How do you calculate the prefix, network, subnet, and host numbers?, and I noticed that he divided the network space into 4 subnetworks of 256 addresses, but he needed only 100 per subnet. If you have for example three contiguous static IP addresses, that means that you cannot separate them into different subnetworks considering also the broadcast and subnetwork IP addressess, right?

``````128.42.5.4/30
128.42.5.5/30
128.42.5.6/30
``````

That depends. If you are looking for something like loopback addresses, you could have three `/32` subnets. With point-to-point links, you could use `/31` which is two addresses in the subnet. A `/30` subnet also gives you two usable addresses, but you lose the subnet and broadcast from the four addresses.

Each one less in the CIDR notation gives you twice as many addresses in the host portion of the address. Except for `/31` and `/32`, you lose two addresses from the number of addresses.

Edit:

Based on your edit to use `/30`, all three of the addresses you list, and `128.42.5.7/30`, are in the subnet `128.42.5.4/30`. The subnet address, `128.42.5.4/30`, and the broadcast address, `128.42.5.7/30`, are not usable for host addresses.

• Hi, thank you for your answer, I was thinking about `/30`. So, If I wanted to divide the `/30` subnet into two subnets , I lose the subnet and broadcast (2) addresses from the four. If I wanted to have three subnets, then I lose 4 addresses from the 6, right? But this is not possible for a network like a wifi home network? I mean, you cannot have a network without subnet and broadcast IP. Commented Dec 24, 2015 at 21:51
• You can have a subnet without the broadcast and subnet addresses reserved if you have a `/31` or `/32`, but they are useful in limited circumstances. Any other subnet size, you do lose two addresses. This only applies to IPv4; with IPv6, all 18+ quintillion addresses in a subnet are usable. Questions about home networking are off-topic, and many vendors of home networking equipment do things in non-standard ways. Commented Dec 24, 2015 at 21:58
• Excuse me, could you please tell me why the subnet address is `128.42.5.4/30` and not `128.42.5.0/30` ? Commented Dec 24, 2015 at 23:21
• Both are valid subnets. The subnet `128.42.5.0/30` includes `.0` `.1`, `.2`, and `.3`. The subnet `128.42.5.4/30` includes `.4` `.5`, `.6`, and `.7`. The subnet `128.42.5.8/30` includes `.8` `.9`, `.10`, and `.11`. And so on. Commented Dec 24, 2015 at 23:24

If it's a Private Network, it's better to have proper subnets with network address, Gateway and Broadcast address. Makes the network easier to troubleshoot

• Can two devices under the same router (Private Network) but in different subnetworks have the same IP address? Commented Dec 24, 2015 at 23:24
• What does that even mean? There is no difference in subnetting private or public IP addresses. The subnet, `/30`, in the question is a proper subnet, whether it is in privat or public address space. Commented Dec 24, 2015 at 23:26
• @sotirios, the subnet dictates which addresses are contained in it. There are some real corner cases where what you ask may be possible, but where you are in the learning curve, no. Commented Dec 24, 2015 at 23:28
• No Because the two subnetworks will be in communication with each other through the router and that's an ip conflict Commented Dec 25, 2015 at 12:00