I store many IP-Addresses in a database. Is there any common notation for a group of IP-Addresses and subnet.
Currently I dither between these notations:
*.*.*.160/29?.?.?.160/29...160/29x.x.x.160/290.0.0.160/29
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I'm not really sure what you're asking, do you want to know what's the correct way to designate a wildcarded subnet?– StuggiSep 5, 2016 at 9:52
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Yes, that's what I mean.– Wernfried DomscheitSep 5, 2016 at 10:01
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You should not need the subnet mask if you are storing endpoint IP addresses.
Networks are said to be super netted when grouped together. So you would not x out the left (network) side of the address, you would x out the right side, i.e., 10.12.x.x/24. Each x represents 8 bits of address space.
IPv4 endpoints are configured with a subnet mask that specifies how many of its 32 address bits represents network addressing vs host numbering. Each network has a network address (all 0's) and a broadcast address (all 1's).
The network address is synonymous to the subnet, e.g., the 10.1 network (10.1.0.0/16).
answered Oct 5, 2016 at 17:52
I know of no standard. In documentation, when possible, I would replace by letters:
x.y.z.160/29
followed by something like "where x.y.z is the network of each branch office".
In ACLs I would possibly use a netmask with holes, such as 0.0.0.160 netmask 0.0.0.248, but I would not expect it to be understood even by an "expert" firewall administrator, and I'm not sure that Cisco ACLs still support this.
I think your other possibilities are harder to understand.
If your network architecture should be explained to non-experts and it cannot be represented in x.y.z.160/29 notation, I submit that it is a problem more in the architecture than in the possibilities of the standardized nomenclature.
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Oh and by the way, PostgreSQL has built-in types for IP addresses : postgresql.org/docs/9.1/static/datatype-net-types.html– Law29Oct 5, 2016 at 21:12
Zeroes should be the preferred way, consider the default route of 0.0.0.0/0 which matches every single subnet.
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But it will be more difficult to understand than x.y.z.160/28, and how would you write x.y.z.0/28? 0.0.0.0 netmask 0.0.0.248 is even worse.– Law29Sep 5, 2016 at 16:00
In all my days I've never seen anyone want to do this but if you really must have a technically correct description you need to use a mask, not CIDR notation and for all /29 nets I guess that would be "network 0.0.0.160 mask 0.0.0.248"
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There can be valid reasons to want to do this in documentation, typically if you are standardizing the IP addressing plan for branch offices. If each office gets a /24 and you want to document that such and such sub-range in the /24 is for printers, and another for DHCP devices, then you would end up having to deal with this. In that case I typically go for A.B.C.0/27 or X.Y.Z.160/28 or something like that, with the assumption that the context makes A.B.C or X.Y.Z clear. Sep 5, 2016 at 15:24
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@Jeremy. That's true, in the past where I've dealt with those cases I have opted for 0.0.0.160/29 but I have found that although it may be technically correct and succint, it confuses people to the extent where it's unhelpful without further commentary. I think your method A.B.C. works better so long as there are no significant bits required in the third octet, where each site may be based on an overall /22 for instance then it's harder– marctxkSep 6, 2016 at 13:15
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In the few cases where I need to deal with non /24s I generally go with a letter for the first value (say X.Y.Z.0) and then +1, +2... as required (say X.Y.Z+1.0 for the first IP if the second half of a /23). This also works for subnets smaller than a /24, by applying similar logic to the final byte. Sep 6, 2016 at 17:13